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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2035
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:10:52 -
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Zephris wrote:Catalysts have two mid spots that can fit cap boosters, ECCM or tracking computers.
Zephris wrote:
Pure nonsense and you know it.
freighters have a grand total of modules and zero CPU.
It will die to 20 cats regardless how you fit it and how empty it is.
Hasnt the ******* foggiest idea about ganking, or even flying a freighter.
moving on...
Zephris wrote:
To stop a gank of 15 catalyst [45 mil ? if that], it takes 5 Falcons (1 billion ). because with anything less the gankers can just go after another target. There are no other activity in EVE that necessitate such disproportional investment in defense.
So use griffins and blackbirds...
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2039
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Posted - 2014.12.07 18:36:06 -
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Donnachadh wrote:
I do have one request of you gankers though. Stop hiding your activities behind an wall of fabrications about how it is good for the game and the rest of that crap and just flat out admit that you do it "because you want to".
I ask this because nothing you as a ganker can do will have any real affect on the game or the players you gank or the corp/alliance they are a part of. The only exception to this is the players that rage quit over a ganking and to be honest the only ones in that group that I care even a little bit about are the new players.
you are oblivious
ive paid gankers/bumpers or ganked/bumped myself to attack miners in the same system as me. This has arguably increased my income by 5-10% every day ive done it because it means i get much more of those 5-10% rocks.
Every ship that is destroyed and needs replaced puts the margin up on my ship sales, puts the margin up on my mineral sales.
The code are responsible for putting some real paranoia into miners, look at Basil or Bethan who believe ganking is so rife that the skiff is the only viable mining barge. This means they are mining less efficiently than me because i can do the supposedly impossible task of mining in Mack's and Hulks and not get ganked.
do you have any idea how much worse industry in hi-sec would be if gankers werent destroying ships?
do you have any idea how much worse the margin on inter-regional trading would be if gankers werent destroying ships?
do you have any idea what competition is? or supply and demand?
TL:DR
By adding difficulty and risk:
Ganking adds value to otherwise trivial activities
Ganking creates a meaningful choice in how we mine/haul and what we mine/haul in
Ganking makes me money
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2040
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Posted - 2014.12.08 04:50:53 -
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it is clear to anyone, ganking has an infulence upon hisec. whether you like it or not.
its not just a conduit for players to get their kicks. the effect of gankers is more than insignificant. the links to the other posters should have shown you that. you tried to say ganking has no effect on the real world, but it clearly does.
welcome to the real world.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2042
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Posted - 2014.12.08 19:16:50 -
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Zephris wrote:
80% of responses in this thread was crap spewed by gankers to confuse people who doesn't know how many people and how much isk it takes to actually block a gank. That's at least 50% number of gankers, well organized, in expensive ships.
Zephris wrote:
To stop a gank of 15 catalyst [45 mil ? if that], it takes 5 Falcons (1 billion ). because with anything less the gankers can just go after another target. There are no other activity in EVE that necessitate such disproportional investment in defense.
Zephris wrote:
Unless you are talking about a web alt in a vindicator with multiple webifiers there is still a window to bump them,
I think i know why its costing you so much more than anyone else to avoid ganks
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2045
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Posted - 2014.12.09 07:37:54 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:it is clear to anyone, ganking has an infulence upon hisec. whether you like it or not.
its not just a conduit for players to get their kicks. the effect of gankers is more than insignificant. the links to the other posters should have shown you that. you tried to say ganking has no effect but it clearly does. Depends entirely on your interpretation of affecting the game. If you use the "I killed ships" or the "I caused people to rage quit" or something similar as your definition of affecting the game then you are right. If you use any common sense monetary way of looking at the affect on the game then you essentially have none, save for a little bit of wealth redistribution.
Well thats a lie, catalysts sell like hot cakes because of ganking. As do retties.
If they didnt need constant replenishing they would not sell nearly as well. And war decs and AWOXing certainly couldnt make up for it. Hundreds of miners across new eden choose to lower their income for the safety of a skiff. There are in fact at least two players who call others idiots for NOT using a skiff even though they could mine so much more with max yield hulks. Zephris and his friends here claim they spend lots of isk running anti-gank squads.
So its a tad more than 'a little bit of wealth redistribution'.
But its not even just economical influences. There are cultural and social impacts as a result of ganking.
Ganking creates meaningful decisions, it changes player behaviour. Ganking causes players to think outside the box and adapt to survive. Players work together, scouting and webbing, to avoid ganks. Players work together to conduct ganks.
Rhetoric like 'hi-sec is not safe, only relatively safe' and 'null sec is safer than hi-sec' stem from ganking.
The effects of ganking are profound and so embedded in the game that you cant even see them anymore. Hi-sec would be completely different without it.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2048
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Posted - 2014.12.10 05:49:52 -
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offering daredevil webbing and scouting services. years of experience and 100% survival rate. 20mil/jump.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2048
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Posted - 2014.12.11 03:38:39 -
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Zephris wrote:
LOL someone accept your service then you come in with any ship and blow up their freighter right ?
100% survival rate for you ? maybe ?
Hey someone said they have issues trying to find escorts...i offered.
If you personally have trust (or lack of friends) issues, thats YOUR problem. Not a mechanical problem.
Zephris wrote:
Considering how cheap ganking is and how much money it makes, if you just catch one freighter carrying 100 billion isk you are set for months. This is what makes it broken and what need to be balanced.
So you admit the 'balance issue' is with ppls idiocy and their tendency to stuff more than they can tank in their hauler?
Because if gankers werent able to make money from ganking (which is ENTIRELY dependent on player complacency and stupidity) it wouldn't be 'broken'. right?
Zephris wrote:
But non of it has anything to do with people getting filthy rich by performing psychopathic behavior.
That some logic there. Everyone who has ever killed anything in any game is a MURDERER
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2055
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Posted - 2014.12.15 02:46:59 -
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why not? we've been doing it for you...
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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